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Chris Heinz's avatar

I have been talking about the Bullshit Apocalypse for over a year now. Gary Marcus a couple of months ago coined "Slopacalypse Now". The slop is going to fill the world, we will never be able to clean up.

Way too many $$$ to just say "Ban LLMs now, before it is too late." It's already too late. But maybe ban releasing LLM slop that has not been reviewed by a human.

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Dakara's avatar

> LLM slop that has not been reviewed by a human

Yes, we cannot litter on the highway, but we can place digital litter all over the internet. But there really is no mechanism for enforcement. It is somewhat easy to fool the automated detectors.

I think the best hope is for cultural rejection of AI-generated content. It would hasten the economic collapse of the AI grift. Unfortunately, that bubble collapse is going to hurt all of us. The current economic bull run is riding totally on top of the AI bubble.

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Chris Heinz's avatar

You know, that might be the regulatory concept: treat it like litter, $500-1000 fine for each instance.

I'm not sure the bubble will pop. Look at crypto, 15 YO now, characterized by Vitalik Buterin, Mr. Ethereum: "DeFi is a circular speculative economy". And now it's backed by the US government.

The LLMs/chip manufacturers have started circular investments. Amazon is laying people off and saying it will replace them with LLMs not because that will work, but to keep the bubble inflated, to keep AWS servers busy servicing the LLMs.

I really think the 0.1% have realized bubbles popping is bad - loses them $$$. So, like the stock market, "number go up".

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Dakara's avatar

> You know, that might be the regulatory concept: treat it like litter, $500-1000 fine for each instance.

Yes, it would probably become a mess though. And like most regulations, the people at the top will write the rules and exempt themselves.

I agree that bubbles often last much longer than many expect. Nonetheless, there must come a limit at which all tricks to keep it sustained will fail. Circular investing is like a perpetual motion machine for economics.

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Chris Heinz's avatar

Ken Liu's just released novel is very good. It has lots of LLMs. The bots that clean up slop are called bladerunners - nice!

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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

When things look really bad, we now know we can count on Elon, to show that things can get worse, much worse. Thanks for keeping your eyes on what AI is now not just hitting, but hurling at the fan. Clear thinking from the likes of you, will be needed non-stop for the foreseeable future.

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Dakara's avatar

Thank you!

> to show that things can get worse, much worse.

In a broad sense all technology is progressing in such way that it assists humanity far less and only serves as a tool for the economic heist of the populace. We have difficulty stopping this progression because complexity obscures its true function and faults.

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Craig's avatar

Does it never occur to anyone to combine humans and robots for a project like this?

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Dakara's avatar

Not sure I follow the question.

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Craig's avatar

Why have it be completely composed and edited by Grok, when they could easily have human editors clean up the mess?

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Dakara's avatar

ahh. Well I think they want to showcase the efficiency and "brilliance" of Grok. lol.

It is supposed to allow human edits, but of course they must be reviewed and approved by Grok. So only Grok can make the actual changes.

They are probably too focused on attempting to showcase AI than building something that actually works. Not sure if AI is really helpful at all for this task. Maybe as an initial draft of documents with human editors to follow as you suggest, but the cleanup might still be more error prone that just starting a Wikipedia alternative from scratch.

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Craig's avatar

Yes... Wikipedia could work really well, but it all comes down to who gets the last say.

The last thing you'd want is a bunch of powermods.

What a stupid project. It's like they're trying to demonstrate how good AI is and they're completely fucking it up.

"What is AI actually good at right now? Can we simply use it for that, and only that?"

*Fuck no, we're going to use it for everything.*

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Dakara's avatar

There was Infogalactic wikipedia alternative with a different mod structure, but it never got enough momentum.

Yes, AI is the hammer and sees the whole world as the nail.

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